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		<title>By: Welcome: Missional Church Network &#171; What&#8217;s your point caller?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Welcome: Missional Church Network &#171; What&#8217;s your point caller?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:29:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Caleb Land</title>
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		<dc:creator>Caleb Land</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 22:24:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also am growing numb to the constant reports of this type of thing. But, this one hit me extremely hard because only a couple of weeks ago the pastor who married my wife and I sat us down and told us he was going on staff of that church. 

He had nothing but great things to say about the church and especially the pastor, and he is a very discerning man. I really appreciated your commentary, Brad. I get scared just thinking about this stuff. 

I know that these ministers never set out to do something like this. I know my own ability to sin. Thanks for reminding me of the call to Christ, not the church. 

My prayer is that I would always find my identity in Him, regardless of the &quot;success&quot; of my church or ministry, and that He would help me overcome the temptations of sin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also am growing numb to the constant reports of this type of thing. But, this one hit me extremely hard because only a couple of weeks ago the pastor who married my wife and I sat us down and told us he was going on staff of that church. </p>
<p>He had nothing but great things to say about the church and especially the pastor, and he is a very discerning man. I really appreciated your commentary, Brad. I get scared just thinking about this stuff. </p>
<p>I know that these ministers never set out to do something like this. I know my own ability to sin. Thanks for reminding me of the call to Christ, not the church. </p>
<p>My prayer is that I would always find my identity in Him, regardless of the &#8220;success&#8221; of my church or ministry, and that He would help me overcome the temptations of sin.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Mayfield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Mayfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2007 15:25:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just 15 months ago my lifelong friend, who was serving in a church as a worship leader, called me to tell me he had been asked to leave his church b/c of an affair with a church member. He is now divorced, working odd jobs, trying to start a music career, and making a vain attempt at overcoming a sense of emptiness. It breaks my heart.

The frustrating thing for me above all else has been - why didn&#039;t he cry out for help? Why didn&#039;t we see signs? Where was the accountability? I think you&#039;ve hit it square on the head. The way we&#039;re still &quot;doing church&quot; breeds and feeds these failures and is doing nothing to create the wall of accountability, discipleship and protection around God&#039;s people that He has called us to.

God, give us wisdom and courage to fight through this complacency and ritual.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just 15 months ago my lifelong friend, who was serving in a church as a worship leader, called me to tell me he had been asked to leave his church b/c of an affair with a church member. He is now divorced, working odd jobs, trying to start a music career, and making a vain attempt at overcoming a sense of emptiness. It breaks my heart.</p>
<p>The frustrating thing for me above all else has been &#8211; why didn&#8217;t he cry out for help? Why didn&#8217;t we see signs? Where was the accountability? I think you&#8217;ve hit it square on the head. The way we&#8217;re still &#8220;doing church&#8221; breeds and feeds these failures and is doing nothing to create the wall of accountability, discipleship and protection around God&#8217;s people that He has called us to.</p>
<p>God, give us wisdom and courage to fight through this complacency and ritual.</p>
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		<title>By: paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2007 13:14:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately, like Rustin, I was not shocked by this news. I hate to hear that it has happened but can&#039;t help but wonder how our ecclesiological models end up contributing to this kind of thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, like Rustin, I was not shocked by this news. I hate to hear that it has happened but can&#8217;t help but wonder how our ecclesiological models end up contributing to this kind of thing.</p>
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		<title>By: brad brisco</title>
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		<dc:creator>brad brisco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 16:37:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stephen

You are right, of course the system being flawed does not justify any of the wrong doing. But I hope recognizing that the &quot;system&quot; feeds some of the problems raised will prompt us to re-align how we do things and more importantly will force us to reflect on what should be at the core of our Christian walk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen</p>
<p>You are right, of course the system being flawed does not justify any of the wrong doing. But I hope recognizing that the &#8220;system&#8221; feeds some of the problems raised will prompt us to re-align how we do things and more importantly will force us to reflect on what should be at the core of our Christian walk.</p>
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		<title>By: stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator>stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 16:25:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent thoughts.  I agree that the right emphasis isn&#039;t placed on the right things, and when that happens we are destined/doomed for trouble/failure.

Does the system being flawed, however, make what Rick or Ted or whoever justifiable?  I think not.  (Not implying you were saying this Brad).  

I so long to have my kids grow up in a culture where pastors once again have authority to change the world, not because of title but because of integrity.  I hope that I can help change that.

Thanks for stirring me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent thoughts.  I agree that the right emphasis isn&#8217;t placed on the right things, and when that happens we are destined/doomed for trouble/failure.</p>
<p>Does the system being flawed, however, make what Rick or Ted or whoever justifiable?  I think not.  (Not implying you were saying this Brad).  </p>
<p>I so long to have my kids grow up in a culture where pastors once again have authority to change the world, not because of title but because of integrity.  I hope that I can help change that.</p>
<p>Thanks for stirring me.</p>
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		<title>By: Rustin S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rustin S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 21:54:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, I didn&#039;t mean for that to sound so matter-of-fact.

I should have said that (although not surprised) I&#039;m deeply saddened and grieving along with those who love him and his church. It simply hurts so much that it&#039;s tempting to be cynical rather than feel the real weight of such a sad development.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, I didn&#8217;t mean for that to sound so matter-of-fact.</p>
<p>I should have said that (although not surprised) I&#8217;m deeply saddened and grieving along with those who love him and his church. It simply hurts so much that it&#8217;s tempting to be cynical rather than feel the real weight of such a sad development.</p>
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		<title>By: Rustin S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rustin S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 21:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This sort of thing hardly surprises me anymore because of the &#039;system&#039; you describe.  I keep looking back to Nouwen&#039;s &quot;In the Name of Jesus&quot; and his idea that leaders must be fellow travelers with those they lead.  Instead, current models allow leaders to exist just &#039;above&#039; the life of the congregation - disconnected and unaccountable - the church &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; Enron.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This sort of thing hardly surprises me anymore because of the &#8216;system&#8217; you describe.  I keep looking back to Nouwen&#8217;s &#8220;In the Name of Jesus&#8221; and his idea that leaders must be fellow travelers with those they lead.  Instead, current models allow leaders to exist just &#8216;above&#8217; the life of the congregation &#8211; disconnected and unaccountable &#8211; the church <i>is</i> Enron.</p>
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		<title>By: Ariel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ariel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 18:47:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the thoughtful analysis, Brad. This is the kind of thing I&#039;m happy to be thinking about before I&#039;m thrown into the thick of ministry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the thoughtful analysis, Brad. This is the kind of thing I&#8217;m happy to be thinking about before I&#8217;m thrown into the thick of ministry.</p>
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