http://missionalchurchnetwork.com/pat-keifert-on-missional-church/ moving towards a missional mindset Thu, 09 Sep 2010 19:04:50 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9 hourly 1 http://missionalchurchnetwork.com/pat-keifert-on-missional-church/comment-page-1/#comment-6703 Brad Brisco Wed, 17 Mar 2010 13:46:06 +0000 http://missionalchurchnetwork.com/?p=1560#comment-6703 Will, I know your words resonate with many. Have you read McNeal's "Missional Renaissance"? Would any of the leadership be open to reading it? It speaks really well to the issue of measurables or scorecards. It also gives good advice for making incremental changes in a missional direction, that I believe are very doable for traditional churches. If that doesn't work, go plant a church :) Will, I know your words resonate with many. Have you read McNeal’s “Missional Renaissance”? Would any of the leadership be open to reading it? It speaks really well to the issue of measurables or scorecards. It also gives good advice for making incremental changes in a missional direction, that I believe are very doable for traditional churches. If that doesn’t work, go plant a church

]]> http://missionalchurchnetwork.com/pat-keifert-on-missional-church/comment-page-1/#comment-6702 Will Wed, 17 Mar 2010 11:43:38 +0000 http://missionalchurchnetwork.com/?p=1560#comment-6702 I'm one of those who has become disenchanted with ministry in the traditional church (UMC). We measure all the wrong things. Those who don't grow the attendance in worship are thought of, at best, as less effective than others. The most important thing is the payment of ministry shares. Leadership would deny this, but it is that which gets the most attention. It is the goal every church is expected to meet. We are not expected to reach a goal of commitments to Christ or starting of new ministries in the community. And the numbers of members and worship attendance continues to decline. No change in site. I’m one of those who has become disenchanted with ministry in the traditional church (UMC). We measure all the wrong things. Those who don’t grow the attendance in worship are thought of, at best, as less effective than others. The most important thing is the payment of ministry shares. Leadership would deny this, but it is that which gets the most attention. It is the goal every church is expected to meet. We are not expected to reach a goal of commitments to Christ or starting of new ministries in the community. And the numbers of members and worship attendance continues to decline. No change in site.

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