Comments on: Change or Die? http://missionalchurchnetwork.com/change-or-die/ moving towards a missional mindset Wed, 28 Dec 2011 06:22:40 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: Brad Brisco http://missionalchurchnetwork.com/change-or-die/comment-page-1/#comment-1441 Brad Brisco Fri, 10 Aug 2007 16:36:58 +0000 http://missionalchurchnetwork.com/change-or-die/#comment-1441 Todd, no I did not know about the book. When you get that reveiw written let me know and I would love to do a follow up to this post with your review. Todd, no I did not know about the book. When you get that reveiw written let me know and I would love to do a follow up to this post with your review.

]]> By: Todd http://missionalchurchnetwork.com/change-or-die/comment-page-1/#comment-1440 Todd Fri, 10 Aug 2007 16:34:21 +0000 http://missionalchurchnetwork.com/change-or-die/#comment-1440 did you know that this article was written as a full length book by the author? I was lucky enough to get a copy to review. though, you just remided me that i still have to write that review! shoot! You can get info on it here: http://www.toddhiestand.com/how-people-change/01/ did you know that this article was written as a full length book by the author? I was lucky enough to get a copy to review. though, you just remided me that i still have to write that review! shoot! You can get info on it here: http://www.toddhiestand.com/how-people-change/01/

]]> By: Georges Boujakly http://missionalchurchnetwork.com/change-or-die/comment-page-1/#comment-1378 Georges Boujakly Mon, 30 Jul 2007 21:42:41 +0000 http://missionalchurchnetwork.com/change-or-die/#comment-1378 Thanks Brad. In the church there is this idea that if we give people the right religious information change will occur. This supposition has produced very knowledgeable believers but fewer followers of Christ. Jesus often told stories to tug at the strings of people's hearts. Those whose hearts were tender toward him changed. Those whose hearts were not open did not. Is there a state or condition in us that predisposes us to be emotionally touched, and thus changed? In times of grief, or joy, or despair, are we not more prone to make changes that last? Change demands grace from God. Grace needs a path, a way, a means. The means of grace include habits or disciplines which enable us to change in ways we would not be able to change without them. Paul said to his prodigee: Discipline yourself for the purpose of godliness (Paraphrase: Change your habits and you will have changed into a godly person(1 Tim 4:7-8). Thanks Brad.

In the church there is this idea that if we give people the right religious information change will occur. This supposition has produced very knowledgeable believers but fewer followers of Christ.

Jesus often told stories to tug at the strings of people’s hearts. Those whose hearts were tender toward him changed. Those whose hearts were not open did not. Is there a state or condition in us that predisposes us to be emotionally touched, and thus changed? In times of grief, or joy, or despair, are we not more prone to make changes that last?

Change demands grace from God. Grace needs a path, a way, a means. The means of grace include habits or disciplines which enable us to change in ways we would not be able to change without them. Paul said to his prodigee: Discipline yourself for the purpose of godliness (Paraphrase: Change your habits and you will have changed into a godly person(1 Tim 4:7-8).

]]> By: Matt Maestas http://missionalchurchnetwork.com/change-or-die/comment-page-1/#comment-1367 Matt Maestas Fri, 27 Jul 2007 12:47:32 +0000 http://missionalchurchnetwork.com/change-or-die/#comment-1367 Great food for thought Brad, also makes me wonder if change, being connected with emotion doesn't also have a battle to fight against betrayal. What I mean is, it seems many in established churches are unwilling to change as has been lamented because, "we've always done x this way", and doing it another way would in fact be a betrayal against the person, time or even the self that did it x way. In order for change to take place in any situation it has to be admitted that what we are doing is wrong, if not flawed on some level, and that especially for the established western American is a perilous price to pay. It is as if for the mDNA to be activated the "soma" has to relearn the path or the connection to it, in a bio/pnueumatological sense Good stuff Great food for thought Brad, also makes me wonder if change, being connected with emotion doesn’t also have a battle to fight against betrayal. What I mean is, it seems many in established churches are unwilling to change as has been lamented because, “we’ve always done x this way”, and doing it another way would in fact be a betrayal against the person, time or even the self that did it x way.

In order for change to take place in any situation it has to be admitted that what we are doing is wrong, if not flawed on some level, and that especially for the established western American is a perilous price to pay.

It is as if for the mDNA to be activated the “soma” has to relearn the path or the connection to it, in a bio/pnueumatological sense

Good stuff

]]> By: Lucas Parry http://missionalchurchnetwork.com/change-or-die/comment-page-1/#comment-1362 Lucas Parry Thu, 26 Jul 2007 14:50:03 +0000 http://missionalchurchnetwork.com/change-or-die/#comment-1362 Yeah Brad! Right on.... It completely goes against the grain of those subscribing to the idea that faith and emotions do not mix. That in church there should be no emotion....... very prevalent here in the south! I debated with a pastor of a large church just a month and a half ago about this, I said that for change to happen in a persons life they first must be moved emotionally. I wish I had this article to quote during that conversation. I clearly remember I had an emotional connection with missions when I was 17 on my first trip to Zambia. Today I travel the world inspiring others to live missionally..... my change would never have happened without an emotional connection. Great article, Amen brother! Yeah Brad! Right on…. It completely goes against the grain of those subscribing to the idea that faith and emotions do not mix. That in church there should be no emotion……. very prevalent here in the south! I debated with a pastor of a large church just a month and a half ago about this, I said that for change to happen in a persons life they first must be moved emotionally. I wish I had this article to quote during that conversation.

I clearly remember I had an emotional connection with missions when I was 17 on my first trip to Zambia. Today I travel the world inspiring others to live missionally….. my change would never have happened without an emotional connection.

Great article, Amen brother!

]]> By: Rick http://missionalchurchnetwork.com/change-or-die/comment-page-1/#comment-1360 Rick Thu, 26 Jul 2007 13:44:42 +0000 http://missionalchurchnetwork.com/change-or-die/#comment-1360 Interesting take on change, thanks for the article highlight. Interesting take on change, thanks for the article highlight.

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