Comments on: Alan Hirsch in New Orleans http://missionalchurchnetwork.com/alan-hirsch-in-new-orleans/ moving towards a missional mindset Wed, 28 Dec 2011 06:22:40 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: Hirsch on INCH « Church Planting Novice http://missionalchurchnetwork.com/alan-hirsch-in-new-orleans/comment-page-1/#comment-6316 Hirsch on INCH « Church Planting Novice Tue, 04 Nov 2008 00:18:34 +0000 http://missionalchurchnetwork.com/alan-hirsch-in-new-orleans/#comment-6316 [...] Planting, Missional, Missional Community | Tags: Alan Hirsch, brad brisco Brad Brisco has a nice post on his conversation with Alan Hirsch regarding missional communities. Alan pointed out that [...] [...] Planting, Missional, Missional Community | Tags: Alan Hirsch, brad brisco Brad Brisco has a nice post on his conversation with Alan Hirsch regarding missional communities. Alan pointed out that [...]

]]> By: extract’d | relevintage http://missionalchurchnetwork.com/alan-hirsch-in-new-orleans/comment-page-1/#comment-4641 extract’d | relevintage Tue, 05 Aug 2008 12:00:56 +0000 http://missionalchurchnetwork.com/alan-hirsch-in-new-orleans/#comment-4641 [...] Brisco from his “Alan Hirsch in New Orleans” entry from his blog, Missional Church [...] [...] Brisco from his “Alan Hirsch in New Orleans” entry from his blog, Missional Church [...]

]]> By: Michael McAleer http://missionalchurchnetwork.com/alan-hirsch-in-new-orleans/comment-page-1/#comment-4035 Michael McAleer Mon, 30 Jun 2008 21:29:16 +0000 http://missionalchurchnetwork.com/alan-hirsch-in-new-orleans/#comment-4035 Jesse Since you and I are maybe the only two people left looking at this, I personally don’t know of any books that flesh this out missiologically. I tried looking on the webpage of the group mentioned in the article, but I didn’t find anything. As I stated, I think they are common patterns found anywhere : family:clan:tribe. The network stage is analogous for me with family. It is where people feel most at home, are free to share and actually look for meeting basic needs. In what we are considering right now for a new start, I would say that networks have to get formed into clusters at some point. Clusters are really “house church” sized groups. My own opinion is when you have 3-4 networks (cells) you can make a cluster. That seems to be a natural break point (and stopping point around 30-50 people) in many church plants. I feel the only way to overcome the stopping point is to form “worship hubs” with 3-4 clusters. I think the key all along is to keep them involved in missional tasks and spirit. Also, I think that if you want hubs, you build the DNA for that into the networks. Right now we are thinking that our start will focus on developing clusters. If we end up with hubs, that would be ok too. Please email me if you would like to discuss this more mmcaleer@pathwaysmediation.net Jesse
Since you and I are maybe the only two people left looking at this, I personally don’t know of any books that flesh this out missiologically. I tried looking on the webpage of the group mentioned in the article, but I didn’t find anything. As I stated, I think they are common patterns found anywhere : family:clan:tribe. The network stage is analogous for me with family. It is where people feel most at home, are free to share and actually look for meeting basic needs. In what we are considering right now for a new start, I would say that networks have to get formed into clusters at some point. Clusters are really “house church” sized groups. My own opinion is when you have 3-4 networks (cells) you can make a cluster. That seems to be a natural break point (and stopping point around 30-50 people) in many church plants. I feel the only way to overcome the stopping point is to form “worship hubs” with 3-4 clusters. I think the key all along is to keep them involved in missional tasks and spirit. Also, I think that if you want hubs, you build the DNA for that into the networks. Right now we are thinking that our start will focus on developing clusters. If we end up with hubs, that would be ok too.

Please email me if you would like to discuss this more mmcaleer@pathwaysmediation.net

]]> By: jesse perry http://missionalchurchnetwork.com/alan-hirsch-in-new-orleans/comment-page-1/#comment-4020 jesse perry Sun, 29 Jun 2008 18:14:56 +0000 http://missionalchurchnetwork.com/alan-hirsch-in-new-orleans/#comment-4020 The INCH model is helpful for me as I look at my plant. At this point we are at the “Networks” level and will probably stay at this point for a while. Is there more info out there that helps “flesh out” INCH a bit more? Possibly some communities that have found themselves going through these stages? Thanks. The INCH model is helpful for me as I look at my plant. At this point we are at the “Networks” level and will probably stay at this point for a while. Is there more info out there that helps “flesh out” INCH a bit more? Possibly some communities that have found themselves going through these stages? Thanks.

]]> By: Michael McAleer http://missionalchurchnetwork.com/alan-hirsch-in-new-orleans/comment-page-1/#comment-3986 Michael McAleer Fri, 27 Jun 2008 14:41:29 +0000 http://missionalchurchnetwork.com/alan-hirsch-in-new-orleans/#comment-3986 The INCH pattern is a natural pattern to follow. It really fits well with family:clan:tribe identities that I feel are natural human structures that form in every culture. It also allows you to build on real network forces acting all around us. On this note I recently re-read Acts and discovered again that Paul did not necessarily create networks, he went to where networks of people already existed. We hope to be starting an INCH type church plant very soon in the Central Texas area. The INCH pattern is a natural pattern to follow. It really fits well with family:clan:tribe identities that I feel are natural human structures that form in every culture. It also allows you to build on real network forces acting all around us. On this note I recently re-read Acts and discovered again that Paul did not necessarily create networks, he went to where networks of people already existed. We hope to be starting an INCH type church plant very soon in the Central Texas area.

]]> By: living church of god http://missionalchurchnetwork.com/alan-hirsch-in-new-orleans/comment-page-1/#comment-3877 living church of god Sat, 21 Jun 2008 00:29:39 +0000 http://missionalchurchnetwork.com/alan-hirsch-in-new-orleans/#comment-3877 [...] of the previous day meeting with the staff of Journey Christian Church. Rick Grover the pastor of thhttp://missionalchurchnetwork.com/alan-hirsch-in-new-orleans/Event raises prostate cancer awareness Herald & ReviewDECATUR - Some of the men dressed in their [...] [...] of the previous day meeting with the staff of Journey Christian Church. Rick Grover the pastor of thhttp://missionalchurchnetwork.com/alan-hirsch-in-new-orleans/Event raises prostate cancer awareness Herald & ReviewDECATUR – Some of the men dressed in their [...]

]]> By: Brad Brisco http://missionalchurchnetwork.com/alan-hirsch-in-new-orleans/comment-page-1/#comment-3858 Brad Brisco Thu, 19 Jun 2008 18:56:49 +0000 http://missionalchurchnetwork.com/alan-hirsch-in-new-orleans/#comment-3858 Brad Thanks for the comment. I think you are starting in a great place, by simply speaking/teaching on the topic. I don't know if you are familiar with Rick Meigs' (www.blindbeggar.org) synchronized blog idea for Monday, but he has 50 different people that will be speaking/writing on the term "missional." I suppose some will discuss the practical steps to cultivating a missional mindset. I plan to take the previous "Missional: More Than a Buzz Word" post and add to it the practical considerations. Check things out on Monday and see if that is helpful. If not I would love to dialogue further about how to practically moved a community in that direction. Blessings! Brad

Thanks for the comment. I think you are starting in a great place, by simply speaking/teaching on the topic.

I don’t know if you are familiar with Rick Meigs’ (www.blindbeggar.org) synchronized blog idea for Monday, but he has 50 different people that will be speaking/writing on the term “missional.” I suppose some will discuss the practical steps to cultivating a missional mindset.

I plan to take the previous “Missional: More Than a Buzz Word” post and add to it the practical considerations. Check things out on Monday and see if that is helpful. If not I would love to dialogue further about how to practically moved a community in that direction. Blessings!

]]> By: Brad VW http://missionalchurchnetwork.com/alan-hirsch-in-new-orleans/comment-page-1/#comment-3855 Brad VW Thu, 19 Jun 2008 15:17:36 +0000 http://missionalchurchnetwork.com/alan-hirsch-in-new-orleans/#comment-3855 I really appreciate what you cover in this post and this blog in general. I'm a new young pastor in an older established church that I would like to guide towards being more missional but of course it hasn't been easy. I loved "The Forgotten Ways" and if I was planting a church I could instill those values from the beginning but coming in as the young outsider I'm struggling with how to lead the transformation from inward to outward, or attractional to missional. I've preached on it for about 18 months, but I'm not sure that has the biggest impact. Anyway I'm rambling, thanks for the post. I really appreciate what you cover in this post and this blog in general. I’m a new young pastor in an older established church that I would like to guide towards being more missional but of course it hasn’t been easy. I loved “The Forgotten Ways” and if I was planting a church I could instill those values from the beginning but coming in as the young outsider I’m struggling with how to lead the transformation from inward to outward, or attractional to missional. I’ve preached on it for about 18 months, but I’m not sure that has the biggest impact. Anyway I’m rambling, thanks for the post.

]]> By: Georges Boujakly http://missionalchurchnetwork.com/alan-hirsch-in-new-orleans/comment-page-1/#comment-3849 Georges Boujakly Thu, 19 Jun 2008 03:23:38 +0000 http://missionalchurchnetwork.com/alan-hirsch-in-new-orleans/#comment-3849 Brad, I'll let the practitioners answer your excellent questions. I found Alan refreshingly real, and penetratingly honest about the status quo of the church in America. Alan believes in the American spirit which is creative and innovative. Alas, the church is usually behind in innovation and creativity when it comes to pushing the envelope of progress in the work of the kingdom. At least, my tribe comes short on those two counts. Brad,

I’ll let the practitioners answer your excellent questions.

I found Alan refreshingly real, and penetratingly honest about the status quo of the church in America. Alan believes in the American spirit which is creative and innovative. Alas, the church is usually behind in innovation and creativity when it comes to pushing the envelope of progress in the work of the kingdom. At least, my tribe comes short on those two counts.

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